{"id":20728,"date":"2016-03-20T12:28:40","date_gmt":"2016-03-20T16:28:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/?p=20728"},"modified":"2022-08-30T06:15:07","modified_gmt":"2022-08-30T10:15:07","slug":"apple-vs-fbi","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/?p=20728","title":{"rendered":"Apple vs FBI"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Good day all, this is the Angry Systems Administrator. We haven\u2019t talked much about the FBI\u2019s trying to force Apple to break the encryption protocols on the San Bernardino terrorists company issued Iphone.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>The last posting was done by the <a href=\"http:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/?p=20478\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Angry Webmaster back in February<\/a>. He wrote about Apple\u2019s response to the FBI\u2019s demands for a backdoor into the Iphones, and how this all came about due to the FBI\u2019s sheer incompetence in securing the phone and data. The case is moving through the courts and Apple has basically been showing that the FBI and the DOJ are at best, disingenuous in their court filings, and at worst, outright lying to the court. I will leave that part up to the legal system since I\u2019m not qualified to comment on it.<\/p>\n<p>Instead, I\u2019m going to comment on another issue that is just now starting to burble up. What if the FBI and the Department of Justice win the case and an order is issued to Apple to write the code needed to break the encryption on this and other Iphones, and the actual programmers outright refuse? In the worst case, Apple loses, and Tim Cooke instructs the programmers to start working, and instead, the programmers resign en mass. What happens next? <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20220329215459\/https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2016\/03\/18\/technology\/apple-encryption-engineers-if-ordered-to-unlock-iphone-might-resist.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The New York Times has started wondering too<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><b>If the <a href=\"http:\/\/topics.nytimes.com\/top\/reference\/timestopics\/organizations\/f\/federal_bureau_of_investigation\/index.html?inline=nyt-org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">F.B.I.<\/a> wins its court fight to force <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/topic\/company\/apple-incorporated?inline=nyt-org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Apple<\/a>\u2019s help in unlocking an <a href=\"http:\/\/topics.nytimes.com\/top\/reference\/timestopics\/subjects\/i\/iphone\/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">iPhone<\/a>, the agency may run into yet another roadblock: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/topic\/company\/apple-incorporated?inline=nyt-org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Apple<\/a>\u2019s engineers. <\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><b>Apple employees are already discussing what they will do if ordered to help law enforcement authorities. Some say they may balk at the work, while others may even quit their high-paying jobs rather than undermine the security of the software they have already created, according to more than a half-dozen current and former Apple employees. <\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><b>The potential resistance adds a wrinkle to a very public fight between Apple, the world\u2019s most valuable company, and the authorities over access to an <a href=\"http:\/\/topics.nytimes.com\/top\/reference\/timestopics\/subjects\/i\/iphone\/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">iPhone<\/a> used by one of the attackers in the December mass killing in San Bernardino, Calif. <\/b><\/p>\n<p>As I\u2019ve mentioned, I am not a legal scholar. I have heard others ask this very question, although not to a lawyer or to the DOJ. If they win the case, how will they get the order enforced if the people who have to do the work, refuse? Are they going to throw several hundred programmers in jail?<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\u201c<b>Such conscription is fundamentally offensive to Apple\u2019s core principles and would pose a severe threat to the autonomy of Apple and its engineers,\u201d Apple\u2019s lawyers wrote in the company\u2019s final brief to the Federal District Court for the Central District of California. <\/b><\/p>\n<p>Basically that is what it would be. Conscripting Apples Iphone development team into essentially building a way for the FBI, as well as other agencies and police departments to hack into pretty much everyone\u2019s Iphone. Herding cats on methamphetamine would be far simpler.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\u201c<b>It\u2019s an independent culture and a rebellious one,\u201d said Jean-Louis Gass\u00e9e, a venture capitalist who was once an engineering manager at Apple. \u201cIf the government tries to compel testimony or action from these engineers, good luck with that.\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n<p>What would be the results if these programmers and developers refused? They could resign, and then would no longer have access to the source code or the development tools they would need to carry out the order. Losing their jobs is not something these people would worry about either.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><b>The fear of losing a paycheck may not have much of an impact on security engineers whose skills are in high demand. Indeed, hiring them could be a badge of honor among other tech companies that share Apple\u2019s skepticism of the government\u2019s intentions. <\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\u201c<b>If someone attempts to force them to work on something that\u2019s outside their personal values, they can expect to find a position that\u2019s a better fit somewhere else,\u201d said Window Snyder, the chief security officer at the start-up Fastly and a former senior product manager in Apple\u2019s security and privacy division. <\/b><\/p>\n<p>From what I\u2019ve been reading, I suspect the FBI and DOJ lawyers handling the case have not thought beyond getting their court order, and that is what will bite them in the posterior.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><b>An employee rebellion could throw the F.B.I\u2019s legal fight with Apple into uncharted territory. <\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\u201c<b>If \u2014 and this is a big if \u2014 every engineer at Apple who could write the code quit and, also a big if, Apple could demonstrate that this happened to the court\u2019s satisfaction, then Apple could not comply and would not have to,\u201d said Joseph DeMarco, a former federal prosecutor. \u201cIt would be like asking my lawn guy to write the code.\u201d <\/b><\/p>\n<p>Of course, the FBI and the DOJ might not care that Apple is unable to comply since all their people have left or refused. Then they will as the judge to fine Apple. They have done this in the past, and it hasn\u2019t worked out for them either. I give you, Lavabit.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><b>The government has cracked down on tech companies in the past. A judge imposed a $10,000-a-day penalty on the email service Lavabit when it did not give its digital encryption keys to investigators pursuing information on Edward J. Snowden, the former intelligence contractor who leaked documents about government surveillance. <\/b><\/p>\n<p>And how did Lavabit respond?<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><b>The small company\u2019s response could be indicative of how individual Apple employees reacted to a court order. When <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Lavabit\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Lavabit was held in contempt<\/a>, its owner shut down the company rather than comply. <\/b><\/p>\n<p>That didn\u2019t stop the FBI. They still demanded the keys. The owner finally provided them, just not in the way the FBI expected. He printed out the keys and small type and physically delivered it to the FBI. <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Lavabit#Legacy\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">From what I\u2019ve been able to determine<\/a>, the FBI was not amused and hit the founder with another contempt charge.<\/p>\n<p>Apple has significantly greater resources to fight the FBI than Lavabit did, and honestly, this is probably going to explode in their faces. I believe the Angry Webmaster commented on one possible result. Thousands of very angry programmers slamming into the Federal Governments computer systems with the goal of not stealing data, but outright destroying it and systems. This may also spill over into the private sector as identified DOJ lawyers and FBI agents personal information, financial data and other things are erased.<\/p>\n<p>While I do not endorse law breaking, the way things are right now, the FBI\u2019s actions, if they win this case, could lead to a cyberwar that makes what\u2019s happening between the United States and foreign governments look like a minor issue with script kiddies. I think it\u2019s time for Congress to step in and basically reign in the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation before things really spiral out of control.<\/p>\n<p>Thank you for your time.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/dr_strangelove_1ed07.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-13627\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-13627\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/dr_strangelove_1ed07-300x225.jpg?resize=300%2C225\" alt=\"The Angry Systems Administrator\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/dr_strangelove_1ed07.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/dr_strangelove_1ed07.jpg?resize=150%2C112&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/dr_strangelove_1ed07.jpg?resize=400%2C300&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/dr_strangelove_1ed07.jpg?w=1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><i><b>~The Angry Systems Administrator~<\/b><\/i><\/p>\n<p>[yasr_visitor_votes size=&#8221;medium&#8221;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Good day all, this is the Angry Systems Administrator. We haven\u2019t talked much about the FBI\u2019s trying to force Apple to break the encryption protocols on the San Bernardino terrorists company issued Iphone.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[3,37,71,57,9,35],"tags":[11,52,3,127,222,17,101,57,9,27,35],"class_list":["post-20728","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-crime","category-liberty-politics","category-news-of-the-day","category-technology","category-terrorism-crime","category-tyranny","tag-america","tag-constitution","tag-crime","tag-fascism","tag-good-idea-fairy","tag-liberty","tag-news","tag-technology","tag-terrorism-crime","tag-totalitarianism","tag-tyranny"],"views":693,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":30197,"url":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/?p=30197","url_meta":{"origin":20728,"position":0},"title":"Putting a fox in charge of the FISA hen house?","author":"Angry Webmaster","date":"January 16, 2020","format":false,"excerpt":"Good day all. Since President Trump was elected, the Deep State thugs in the Department of InJustice did everything they could to keep President Trump out. This included lying to the FISA court to get warrants to spy on the Trump transition team and certain people in order to \"Get\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Crime&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Crime","link":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/?cat=3"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/not-shocked-face.jpg?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":44285,"url":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/?p=44285","url_meta":{"origin":20728,"position":1},"title":"FBI now states that Islamic Terrorist worked alone","author":"Angry Webmaster","date":"January 2, 2025","format":false,"excerpt":"Good day all. It\u2019s been about 30 hours since the terrorist attack in New Orleans with a second attack in Las Vegas. Initially, the FBI in New Orleans, right after the NOPD said this was a terrorist attack, claimed that it wasn\u2019t. Now they are saying that the terrorist was\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Just Desserts&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Just Desserts","link":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/?cat=135"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/i.pinimg.com\/originals\/5b\/ff\/99\/5bff997110e9330b2c9d29dd45e8d5f1.gif?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":43342,"url":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/?p=43342","url_meta":{"origin":20728,"position":2},"title":"FBI preparing another censorship campaign","author":"Angry Webmaster","date":"August 17, 2024","format":false,"excerpt":"Good day all. Thanks to Elon Musk\u2019s purchase of Twitter, Americans found out just how the Deep State working with Big Tech was censoring anyone who said anything against the \u201cNarratives\u201d pushed by \u201cThe Government.\u201d Shortly after Musk took over Twitter he brought in some journalists and gave them full\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Just Desserts&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Just Desserts","link":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/?cat=135"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/Twitter-Files-300x169.jpg?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":30249,"url":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/?p=30249","url_meta":{"origin":20728,"position":3},"title":"FISA warrants against Carter Page WERE illegal","author":"Angry Webmaster","date":"January 27, 2020","format":false,"excerpt":"Good day all. A couple of years ago, reports came out that the Obama Justice Department has been bugging the Trump transition team. At first, the CommuNazis, (Formally known as Democrats), denied this and accused anyone who believed to of being a conspiracy theorist. Then it came out that the\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Crime&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Crime","link":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/?cat=3"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/10\/tin_foil_hat-218x300.gif?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":27711,"url":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/?p=27711","url_meta":{"origin":20728,"position":4},"title":"Slowly, the FBI swamp is draining away","author":"Angry Webmaster","date":"December 21, 2018","format":false,"excerpt":"Good day all. This came out a couple of weeks ago. It seems that most of the Obama FBI leadership is out or on it\u2019s way out. They\u2019re either resigning, being fired, or retiring. The latest one to go is Bill Priestap. He\u2019s now eligible for retirement and is pulling\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Crime&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Crime","link":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/?cat=3"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/12\/schadenboner-246x300.jpg?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":7603,"url":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/?p=7603","url_meta":{"origin":20728,"position":5},"title":"FBI wants to spy on Facebook","author":"Angry Webmaster","date":"May 6, 2012","format":false,"excerpt":"Good day all, I\u2019m a bit late to this, but better late than never. Last week CNET.com came out with a story about the Federal Bureau of Investigation asking major software companies not to oppose their plan to force back doors into assorted web sites.","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Crime&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Crime","link":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/?cat=3"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/We-are-anonymous.gif?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]}],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/20728","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=20728"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/20728\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":38369,"href":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/20728\/revisions\/38369"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=20728"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=20728"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=20728"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}