{"id":22272,"date":"2016-09-27T12:40:54","date_gmt":"2016-09-27T16:40:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/?p=22272"},"modified":"2020-10-12T16:39:06","modified_gmt":"2020-10-12T20:39:06","slug":"the-great-debate-2016-fallout","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/?p=22272","title":{"rendered":"The Great Debate 2016 fallout"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Good day all. Last night was the first of three debates between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. I had planned to watch it last night, but I fell asleep during Gotham and missed it.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/headdesk.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-17445\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/headdesk-300x225.jpg?resize=300%2C225\" alt=\"headdesk\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/headdesk.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/headdesk.jpg?w=449&amp;ssl=1 449w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>I woke up when the news started and after cursing a blue streak for about 2 minutes, turned off the TV and went back to sleep. Since I woke up, I\u2019ve been reading the various reports. The pundits seem to think it was basically a tie between The Donald and Cankles. Lester Holt, the \u201cmoderator\u201d, apparently couldn\u2019t just moderate and was seen to be favoring Clinton. I have no first hand information on that and am relying on assorted news and blog sites. (Hopefully, I\u2019m avoiding the echo chamber)<\/p>\n<p>The \u201cSnap\u201d polls taken after the debate said that Trump won it. Even that raving hard right wing fanatic, Michael Moore thinks that Hillary Clinton lost the debate.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Donald-Trump.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-20619\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Donald-Trump-300x214.jpg?resize=300%2C214\" alt=\"Donald Trump\" width=\"300\" height=\"214\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Donald-Trump.jpg?resize=300%2C214&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Donald-Trump.jpg?resize=768%2C548&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Donald-Trump.jpg?resize=1024%2C731&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Donald-Trump.jpg?resize=500%2C357&amp;ssl=1 500w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Donald-Trump.jpg?w=1180&amp;ssl=1 1180w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Trump, according to reports, generally stayed on message and spoke about policy with a few missiles thrown at Clinton. Clinton appears to have gone on the personal attack route on Trump.<\/p>\n<p>As to the pundits, The Democrats are saying she won, and the Republicans are, depending on who you are listening to, are saying Trump won, Trump tied, Trump wasn\u2019t very good. In other words, no one has any clues at all. In point of fact, this was just the first debate and both sides were \u201cFeeling the other side out\u201d on their responses. I think the next debate is going to be very different from this one. <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20170911031854\/http:\/\/www.foxnews.com\/politics\/2016\/09\/27\/trump-threatens-to-hit-her-harder-at-next-clinton-debate-as-surrogates-rip-moderator.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">So does Trump.<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><b>Donald Trump brushed himself off Tuesday following a rough-and-tumble debate with Hillary Clinton, returning to the campaign trail while warning he may have to \u201chit her harder\u201d in the next round \u2013 as he and his surrogates rapped moderator Lester Holt for skating over the controversies associated with the Democratic nominee. <\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\u201c<b>[Holt] didn\u2019t ask her about the emails at all. He didn\u2019t ask her about her scandals. He didn\u2019t ask her about [Benghazi],\u201d Trump said. \u201cThey were leaving all of her little goodies out.\u201d <\/b><\/p>\n<p>From what I\u2019ve been reading regarding Holt, he learned his lesson from Matt Lauer. Under no circumstances do anything that makes Hillary Clinton look bad. This is why Trump may decide to hammer her in their next meeting.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong>A growing sense among the Republican nominee\u2019s team that the moderator glossed over Clinton\u2019s weak spots could contribute to a tougher tone from Trump in their next encounter in October.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong>\u201cThere was a little bit of an imbalance,\u201d retired Lt. Gen. Mike Flynn said on Fox News.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>That has always been the worry with the debates. As we\u2019ve seen in the past, the moderators generally defer to the Democrat and go after the Republican candidates. Candy \u201cMakes my skin\u201d Crawley was the most blatant example. I\u2019m also not very happy with the debate style. Honestly, I want to see a return to the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Lincoln%E2%80%93Douglas_debates\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Lincoln\/Douglas style debates<\/a>. According to Wikipedia:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><b>The format for each debate was: one candidate spoke for 60 minutes, then the other candidate spoke for 90 minutes, and then the first candidate was allowed a 30-minute &#8220;rejoinder.&#8221; The candidates alternated speaking first. As the incumbent, Douglas spoke first in four of the debates.<\/b><\/p>\n<p>Compare that with what they call \u201cDebates\u201d today. As I recall, Trump and Clinton were given a couple of minutes each with Lester Holt adding his $0.02. Those really aren\u2019t debates, they\u2019re commercials. The next debate is scheduled for October 9<sup>th<\/sup>, 2016 and will be held at Washington University in Saint Louis. That one will be \u201cmoderated\u201d by Anderson Cooper.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/eye-roll.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-18582\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/eye-roll-292x300.jpg?resize=292%2C300\" alt=\"eye roll\" width=\"292\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/eye-roll.jpg?resize=292%2C300&amp;ssl=1 292w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/angry.net\/blog2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/eye-roll.jpg?w=300&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 292px) 100vw, 292px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The final debate will be October 19<sup>th<\/sup> at the University of Nevada in Las Vegas and will be \u201cmoderated\u201d by Chris Wallace. Wallace is a host on Fox, and hopefully will keep his biases in check for that debate. However that final debate turns out, one thing is certain. What happens in Vegas won\u2019t be staying in Vegas.<\/p>\n<p>Thatisall<\/p>\n<p><i><b>~The Angry Webmaster~<\/b><\/i><\/p>\n<p>[yasr_visitor_votes size=&#8221;large&#8221;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Good day all. Last night was the first of three debates between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. I had planned to watch it last night, but I fell asleep during Gotham and missed it.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[4,71,8],"tags":[11,303,186,226,101,8],"class_list":["post-22272","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-entertainment","category-news-of-the-day","category-politics","tag-america","tag-donald-trump","tag-election","tag-hillary-clinton","tag-news","tag-politics"],"views":475,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":22268,"url":"https:\/\/angry.net\/blog2\/?p=22268","url_meta":{"origin":22272,"position":0},"title":"The Great Debate 2016","author":"Angry Webmaster","date":"September 26, 2016","format":false,"excerpt":"Good day all. 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